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From: [e-mail] (George Noel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The March Amiga?
Date: 16 Jan 1996 09:53:43 GMT
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Summary: Idiots!
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In article <4de6u7$[e-mail]>,
Byron Montgomerie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>George Noel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: , why do you think it is so improbable for
>: them to work on one new chip now to do the same thing?
>
>I was commenting on the time you said it would be done in.  Where did you see
>this mentioned btw?

On THIS newsgroup had you been reading the messages from someone who was
talking directly to Dr. P. K. who said Paula was old technology and was
needed to be updated ASAP and that it could be done before they started
production on the next installments of A4000ts.

>
>: Not significant? Revenue is revenue and I think AT could tell you how
>: significant it is.  Why are developers making PPC boards for the A1200 if
>: they didn't think it was significant? What would you rather do pay $600 -
>
>You would compare a single chip to a PPC board?

No, but obviously you would.  I was referring to the number of A1200s out
there.  If a company felt there wasn't enough A1200s out there to put out
new products (especially hardware) for to get profit, they wouldn't do
it.  You said the money generated from a new Paula would be insignificant
but revenue is revenue no matter how you look at it especially if you are
supplying a feature in the overall product which will boost sales of it
let alone single chips.

>
>: $1000 to upgrade your A1200 or $30 or so? Which would have a lot more
>
>Even if the chip were that inexpensive, sending it off to a technician to
>install it would easily triple the price in shipping and labour. (CDN)

Granted that was just off the top of my head, it would probably be more
then that price starting off and I wasn't assuming you had to send it off
to a technician to do it (see, basing your opinion on your narrowmind
view/experiences) as there are still technicians in town that worked on
Amigas in the past or if you supply instructions on how to install it to
any technician they could do it also if people couldn't do it themselves.
Installing one chip is not that expensive at a dealer Byron especially
when warranty concerns are in question.

>
>: Software development involving a new Paula would NOT only involve games,
>: it would involve MIDI/Music programs also which creates a whole new niche
>: and spinoff benefits.  Microsoft recently bought out Blue Ribbon
>
>Enough to drag people from machines which already have 16 bit as the low end
>standard with 32 bit as a coming standard?

No, I am talking about new blood, offering the same at a cheaper price. I
bet the Power Amiga will also be 16 bit with options of 32 bit sound also
via sound cards so the Amiga community will be pretty even then with the
PC community seeing as how we will be using the same BUS.

>: That is what we need to keep up with the Jones until the Amiga can
>: surpass them! Advancement means better image in the view of the consumer
>: and more pleasing to the.. in this case, ear.  Less floppy swapping is a
>
>Assuming they compare amigas to amigas and nothing else.  If they can find an
>old amiga to compare the new ones to.

What are you talking about?  Why would someone have to compare a new
Amiga to an old one? If it is a new buyer, then who cares about the old
Amiga 8 bit sound when they would be comparing it to the PC 16 bit sound?
Many people I know whom have PCs STILL say the Amiga 8 bit sound sounds
much clearer thus better then their 16 bit sound card, imagine what it
will be like when the Amiga gets 16 bit capabilities if properly done?
Obviously older Amiga users would and should obviously be able to hear a
difference should and when the Amiga gets 16 bit sound.

>: bonus and we still need removable media whether you think so or not.
>
>CDROMs are removeable media if that is what you are after.  I guess what you
>mean is removeable and writeable media.  I didn't say that anyway.  I have
>mentioned elsewhere what I think AT should consider doing in that department.

Yeah external SCSI port, which I am not opposed to but the choice of say
the ZIP drive for removable and writable media as standard is not so
beneficial right now especially in the low end which you and I would be
using starting off anyways.  I wouldn't mind the external floppy only
also as long as it was compatible.  You indeed were putting down removable,
writable media such as floppies for exchanging data from computer to
computer in a time where every computer from a C64 to the Amiga, MAC and
PC uses and can use Double Density and High Density disks whereas the ZIP
drive is only starting to possibly set foot into the industry, albeit it
at an increasing and good rate.

>: Have you even heard 16 bit audio yet? There IS a noticeable differences
>
>Every time I listen to a CD.  That is not the point, 16 bit sound takes up room
>and games barely use 8 bit.  The amiga is not a CD player anyway.

I wasn't talking about an audio CD only, a CD-ROM drive would take more
advatange of 16 bit sound then a floppy based system - granted, which is
more then likely where the low end Amiga is going in the future anyways.
Most games on the PC use a 16 bit audio card but still supply samples in
8 bit and just use the extra abilities for storing MORE samples then your
normal 8 bit sound card thus it is reduced to a large buffer if the game
stores the samples on disks.

>: >is hardly a revolution in the software base. :)  About the only significant
>: >thing this might do is to bring back a few musicians to the amiga.
>: And this ISN'T good? Look where this got the Atari ST.. that is NOT a
>
>Sure it is, never said it wasn't.  Atari ST, yeah look. :)

Not now as it is not made anymore but for awhile the ST was preferred
over the Amiga for its music programs and a lot of musicians used the ST,
Davis Music in town was an Atari ST dealer for example but the Amiga won
out overall which is why it is still being made and still had its fair
share of musicians.  Have you ever seen the Jim Steinam music video done
completely on Amigas equiped with Video Toasters and his music aided by
the Amiga?

>: I've been using a HD for ages and it doesn't eliminate the need for
>: floppies or should I say writable, removable media.
>
>On a c64, George, hardly the same thing. :)  Anyway, you have to learn how to

Why are you being computer specific? A hard drive is a hard drive no
matter what computer you are using it on.. on my hard drive I have Amiga
and PC files stored and the C64 files are a minority combined with audio
and image files that all computer types can use.. what is so different?
That same Hard Drive can also be used on an Amiga and IBM.. what is your
point pointing out that fact? Because you think it makes me look less
because I am smart in using my resources to the fullest and the fact I am
using it on an older computer for now you think it doesn't matter? You
have too of a narrowminded viewpoint to make your points credible.

>: >Basically, talk to me after you have used a hard drive on your amiga, better
>: >yet after you have used a terminal program with it.
>
>: Not even going to comment to the misinformed, I could also say to you
>
>Actually, it is accurate, if you finally have used a terminal program on your
>girlfriends a1000 it is still not your amiga. :)  I do know that it was a least

Why does one have to use a terminal program on an A1000 only? What is so
big with you about the A1000? I have the A1000 for collection purposes as
it was the first Amiga and one with all the signatures of its creators
under the top casing and it plays all the old classic games on it..
unlike yourself, I am a collector and value things like this, especially
first of its kind, just because you do not like to keep such things
doesn't mean others don't.  Again I am not going to further comment as
you do not know my current standings with what I do and do not own or do
with my computers.

>3 years you had your a1000 and did nothing with it but play old games and
>instead used your c64 for everything.  Which boggles the mind.

Byron, you did the same thing with your A1000 and could do little else as
you never expanded it past 512k.  I did nothing else but play games huh?
Little that you know!

As for the C64, yes, so what? I still have uses for it, when one cannot
go out and buy the latest greatest thing, one has to make due with what
they have. Again please do not judge me or everyone else on something YOU
wouldn't do.

>Chuckle. :)  Wouldn't have mentioned it if you didn't start advocating in misc.

I am the only one doing this? Yeah right. I am happy I could provide you
with the opportunity to try and raise your ego/try to make your points
seem better by putting someone else down, fortunately I am the only one
here posting regularly that you know of in which you can try and twist
some background information about that you keep hanging onto that you
knew about in the past to make you seem better now.

Can you not take a hint that this extra dribble you are adding to
messages is not wanted here nor have you any right to comment on my
personal life on the world internet?

-=*George*=-